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[Superdave]

Figured I'd start a new thread since the previous Heroes thread has slid WAY down on the page.

Wired has an interview with Masi Oka and Hayden Panettiere about the upcoming season. Warning: it has some SPOILERS.

Sounds like it might actually be worth watching, but I make no promises--I quit halfway through the 3rd season. I love how they try to spin the fact that they've been cut down to 19 episodes into a good thing.
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[MntlWard]

I didn't make it halfway through the third season. Have they explained Peter's (and others'...but mostly Peter's) varying level of idiocy yet? Until they do that, I don't think I can come back.
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[Superdave]

So, I watched about the first 15 minutes of the big double premiere, and...then I deleted it. I just could not get into it. It pains me slightly to say it, but Heroes is dead to me. Permanently dead. This is not a decision; it's just how it is.
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[Superdave]

I like how the Onion AV Club posts recaps of TV episodes, especially in this case, because reading about Heroes is way easier than watching it.
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[Ubalstecha]

TWOP does the same thing. And I love them for it.
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[Superdave]

An AV Club interview with Tim Kring. Interesting stuff. I like this quote especially:

[MntlWard]

I didn't mind the existing characters, aside from their constantly making decisions that didn't make a damn bit of sense in order to stretch the plot out. I guess that would be related to the desire to have a thirteen-episode season.
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[KaosDevice]

I want Sylar & the Cheerleader gone. I am just absolutely sick of those characters. If I had my way the show would center around HRG.
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[Superdave]

Th funny thing in the interview is that he confirms what we have long known: the show is written by committee, and the system of writing is so frenetic and confusing that none of the writers really has any idea what's going on. Gee, what a surprise that the characters all seem to do stuff that doesn't make any sense for them to do.

Also...it's pretty annoying that he seems to be blaming the fans, the execs, pretty much everyone but himself for Heroes going wrong. He even takes back his earlier apology!--which was the only thing that has kept me having any respect for him for a long time.

Time for Heroes to die. It was a noble idea, but it's long since gone past the event horizon of suckage. There is no saving it.
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[TheMattwolf]

Having finally caught up on all the shows put on DVD, I have a few observations to make. The first is that the writers could have gotten a few awesome, fun, exciting seasons out of this show if they had simply run a superhero-themed game campaign first. Champions, GURPS Supers, hell, even those lame Marvel or DCU games would ahve at least given them the idea of how characters interact with each other!

My second idea is that society would be fine with someone flying around, just as long as they put on a costume first!!!! We're good with that sort of thing. Really, we kind of expect it! If Nathan had slapped on a cape and tights, he would have had people begging him to be president!
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[Superdave]

I totally agree that the writers and directors should've played a superhero RPG. I'm not sure if it would've helped with keeping the characters in character--nothing's worse than a character that we've gotten to know, doing stuff that makes no sense and is totally out of character--because that kind of thing is what competent writers ought to be able to do well anyway. But it would've let them see the possibilities, and more than anything, the pitfalls. They would've realized, hey, Hiro and Peter are WAY overpowered compared to the others--I mean, look at how many points it costs to build them--and their powers cause enormous plot problems that we can only fix through stupid deus ex machina moves. Those guys need some clearly defined Power Limitations!

Man, I could go on for days how Heroes screwed up an awesome premise. And I have.

BTW, here in Japan, the 4th-season premiere is coming, and the commercials were calling it "The Fourth Season" for awhile. Then came the announcement that Heroes was ending, and the commercials suddenly changed to "Heroes: The Final Season!"

When life hands you lemons, make lemonade, I guess.
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[MntlWard]

In the beginning, Hiro's imprecision with his powers was a good counter to how powerful he was. The problem was the promise of Future Hiro being so able in his. If he was so interested in saving the world, Future Hiro should have been saving the cheerleader himself, instead of sending cryptic messages to the past. (That first season was so fun to watch, I didn't even notice that early mistake.)

But Peter....man. He was practically Superman by the end of season one. That would have been fine had he been restricted to dealing with problems on that level, but they tried to keep him on the ground with everyone else by making him stupid whenever it was convenient, but when it was time to be the hero he would have basic common sense again.
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